the former tennessee governor, phil bredesen, from the fix the debt committee. douglas holtz-eakin formerly of the cbo and evan bayh, former senator and fox news contributor. wow what a power panel. i hardly know where to start. phil, you think it is appalling we gotten this far. why? >> i just think play games, the political games with the faith and credit of the united states is a crazy position to be in. like playing with fireworks and playing with matches in a fireworks factory or something. i understand the need to deal with entitlements and to reduce costs on that but there are other ways of doing that. there is the whole sequester thing coming up down the road. i just think it is crazy for the congress to be messing around with brinkmanship on this particular issue. melissa: doug, how serious is it to hit the debt ceiling? what really happens? do we suddenly default? do we stop paying certain parties? what happens? >> this is --. melissa: i'm sorry. i said that to doug real quick. >> okay. >> i mean i would say two things. first, have to point out there i